Crane Paths and Kotei Choices

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Re: Crane Paths and Kotei Choices

Postby Martino » Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:07 am

Well I think we want to discuss it because since it happened right before the year of no fiction, it's not really clear if it did benefit us or if it was just a thing we did that happened. I mean, it's not like we did it and then Min-Hee in her gratitude helped us when the Mantis attacked us.

That Mantis war represents a problem for me. We got into a fight with a clan against whom both the Phoenix and Lion have grudges, but neither of them fought with us. I mean, if we're supposed to be the clan who builds alliances, where the heck were our allies?

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Re: Crane Paths and Kotei Choices

Postby Doji Pheelyp » Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:37 am

Daramere wrote:P.S. You guys keep saying that you want things showing the Crane's ability to get things done politically, and yet when we're talking about how the Crane got something done politically in exactly the way the Crane do this sort of thing (by having the right person be friendly with the right person, and whispering a little suggestion into that friendly ear), you just want to blame the Otomo. Have some fun! Revel in your political acumen!


This makes much sense to me. :)
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Re: Crane Paths and Kotei Choices

Postby Martino » Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:50 am

Daramere wrote:You guys are taking this way too seriously. One, note the repeated use of jokey faces in my lines on this subject. I know there's no tone on the internet, but that's why we've got those emoticon things. The Crane interference was kind of necessary to really make the drama of the whole thing really kick up a notch anyway - and it's not the Crane's fault that the plot was allowed to wither and die. Lighten up! Two, whether or not it makes political sense for the Crane to screw up the arranged marriage between Naleesh and Shikei is completely irrelevant to whether someone in the rooting section for their romance is going to resent said actions. That's like not being allowed to boo a sports rival because it was rational for them to play their best and defeat your favorite team.

P.S. You guys keep saying that you want things showing the Crane's ability to get things done politically, and yet when we're talking about how the Crane got something done politically in exactly the way the Crane do this sort of thing (by having the right person be friendly with the right person, and whispering a little suggestion into that friendly ear), you just want to blame the Otomo. Have some fun! Revel in your political acumen! Not grumpy griping about how this is setting social conventions. Just have a little fun. Mock the Dragon delegation for proposing that Miaka marry Shikei. Point out how Dainagon totally had a crush on Naleesh, and you'd better watch out for those Crane socialites. Or something more clever than those. But you've got to be able to have some fun with it.


I think our overall problem with the Crane and Otomo dealings in that marriage were that we didn't actually care about it at all. The Story Team just said "Here's the thing, and you really care about it, and here's what you think." When really the truth was, no not so much. I'm perfectly happy to tell them what I think about something and not the other way around.

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Re: Crane Paths and Kotei Choices

Postby Faris Kalin » Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:28 pm

Dare wrote:Oni Summoning or Bust.


Actually, I could totally see that as being one of the options.

Maybe the Asahina can have a Fudoist option too somewhere in there
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Re: Crane Paths and Kotei Choices

Postby Doji Pheelyp » Fri May 01, 2015 6:38 am

Martino wrote:I think our overall problem with the Crane and Otomo dealings in that marriage were that we didn't actually care about it at all. The Story Team just said "Here's the thing, and you really care about it, and here's what you think." When really the truth was, no not so much. I'm perfectly happy to tell them what I think about something and not the other way around.


Respectfully, are you suggesting that the Story Team consult you before they write a fiction about what the Crane care and think about?
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Re: Crane Paths and Kotei Choices

Postby Martino » Fri May 01, 2015 7:16 am

I'm suggesting that they base the story off of decisions made by players. They haven't really been doing the "interactive" part well in recent years.

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Re: Crane Paths and Kotei Choices

Postby Doji Pheelyp » Sun May 03, 2015 9:37 am

I can agree with you on that, Martino.

To what extent though do you think did the Story Team's narrative about the Crane's involvement in that marriage constitute a lack of interactivity with players? There should have been a Kotei to determine this or they should have conducted a poll on the Crane forums on how they should write the story?
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Re: Crane Paths and Kotei Choices

Postby Asahina Shimato » Sun May 03, 2015 10:56 am

I liked that story, even though I have a hard time remembering what the Crane expected to get out of their involvement. And what they got out of it in the end. And if that question is not easily answered, that's a problem.

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Re: Crane Paths and Kotei Choices

Postby Kakita Kasukaru » Mon May 04, 2015 5:03 am

Actually, yes, I don't mind that kind of stories, even if it is imposed to us. But, in that kind of case, it should be very clear why the protagonists are involved in this kind of politics/policies, what they expect as "return on investment"...
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Re: Crane Paths and Kotei Choices

Postby Daidoji Tacticus » Mon May 04, 2015 5:07 am

In this case, what Dainagon expected as return on investment was that her Otomo boss recognise her as someone who gave good advice. This, she achieved. And what Shunya expected as return on investment was the Shinjo Min-Hee be favourably disposed towards him, and in particular, that she give him ownership of a paper-maker's shop so that he could start rebuilding his finances. Both of which he likewise achieved.

So, both of the characters who actually had any involvement in the matter did quite well for themselves out of it.
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