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Courts of the Crane Clan • Another Way - Proposals for Alternate Story Paths - Page 2
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Re: Another Way - Proposals for Alternate Story Paths

Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 1:37 am
by Kakita Kasukaru
That latest proposal is in no way contradictory to what Tacticus, Makoto and myself have written, so I am for it as well.

Re: Another Way - Proposals for Alternate Story Paths

Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 1:48 am
by Daidoji Tacticus
I am not particularly enthused about tying ourselves specifically to the Iweko dynasty, which I don't particularly care for and (more importantly) have serious doubts about the survivability of. The general approach is worth pursuing, though, I agree.

Re: Another Way - Proposals for Alternate Story Paths

Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 1:53 am
by Kakita Kasukaru
Let's call it: "the Left Hand of the Tengoku side of the dynastic battle"... ;)

Re: Another Way - Proposals for Alternate Story Paths

Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 1:56 am
by Daidoji Tacticus
"Left Hand of Tengoku" has a certain ring to it...

"Left Hand of Purity"? "Left Hand of Resistance"? How about "Left Hand of the Empire"? That would be a good way to convey that the Crane are doing their duty to the things that make Rokugan function, rather than to the specific individual sitting on the Throne.

Re: Another Way - Proposals for Alternate Story Paths

Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 1:58 am
by AsahinaD
I am not much in favor of the Iweko Dynasty, either, but they are the ruling dynasty. We can start from this point and we can later see who we will support, if things change. If we live another dynasty change, we can support an ally (whom we'll see then) or even go for Makoto (depending on the circumstances ). Bishie boy on the throne! And most importantly Left Hand in any non tainted Dynasty that may come up.

Re: Another Way - Proposals for Alternate Story Paths

Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 2:00 am
by Doji Makoto
Left hand of the Empire sounds good... ;-)

What about Hand of the justice? Hand of the Law?

Re: Another Way - Proposals for Alternate Story Paths

Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 2:40 am
by Asahina Shimato

Re: Another Way - Proposals for Alternate Story Paths

Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 2:58 am
by Asahina Shimato
Now, two of the tasks laid out in front of us seem force us to abandon our lands. That is rather extreme, but AEG has never shied away from disproportionately hurting the Crane, haven't they? If this is a repeat of 2KYD, we were DEAD in that alternative timeline.

So, I think the message is that staying there and fighting will not work. For whatever reason, Jigoku-Kanpeki will be too strong (at least that's how I interpret it) and all clans opposing him are forced into exile. So our path, if we really want to serve the Empire, has to be to ENDURE.
We need to stick it out, and hopefully help steer the course of history towards the right path. I am thinking Kakita Yoshi in his role as Imperial Advisor to Hantei Sotorii - there was a fiction where he was accused of being a spy of the Emperor, but he was in truth a double agent serving the Crane at a high personal risk.

And yes, this will probably be a decision that forces us to take something similar to path #2 AT FIRST, but with the intention of helping the other clans in their insurgence against the usurper. And if they - in their ignorance - get to call us dishonorable, we get to duel or convince them, both would give us a chance to show our strengths.

The alternative paths that haven been suggested here have inspired me, I have to say, the Safehold approach in particular. However, I think Left hand to the Iwekos would basically amount to being path #1 if I'm right that it would force us into exile. If it would be an option to keep the Iweko on the throne, I suspect we would take it without hesitation. They force us to make a decision for a reason.

tl;dr - I think our path should be one of Enduring the Occupation. Play all sides but serve only the Empire, and demonstrate why we are the true heart of it. We can't leave, it will rip the living, beating heart out of the Empire's chest. The Emperor, whoever he may be, will not last as long as we do.

Edited for mixed metaphors. Ugh.

Re: Another Way - Proposals for Alternate Story Paths

Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 3:13 am
by Daidoji Tacticus
The problem I see with this is convincing Kanpeki that we support him without, well, actually doing so. Can we realistically conceal significant support given to resistance forces from him? Kanpeki is not a forgiving man; he is not going to tolerate that. If we can't conceal it from him, then the path is a non-starter; we would shortly be faced with the choice of either giving up on the purpose for which we embarked on it (and becoming collaborationist scum in truth as well as appearance), or of losing all ability to actually fulfill that purpose when Kanpeki turns against us.

In particular, if we try to convince the other Clans that we're actually on their side, we guarantee that the above will happen - because how exactly we going to keep word from getting back to Kanpeki at that point? Large groups of people cannot keep secrets. Someone always talks.

Re: Another Way - Proposals for Alternate Story Paths

Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 3:20 am
by Asahina Shimato
If we can't conceal things from others we really suck as scheming courtiers. I think for once we should be able to demonstrate that with things like Cadence and our network of favors, we're more than a match for anybody's spies.

Edit: We're basically everybody's relative sitting there in enemy territory. If they actually like us I think this will motivate them to fight for the Empire.

Edit2: And if the jig is up, then we fight and presumably die.