Topic: [BtD] Celestial: Saibankan's Justice (Read 4714 times)

TheManiac · « **on:** April 14, 2011, 03:01:30 AM »

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http://www.l5r.com/before-the-dawn-previews/

Saibankan's Justice

Fortune * Unique

Other players may not lobby.

Open: Target one or two Personalities controlled by the same player and discard this card: Dishonor them.

"The Scorpion laid the foundations for the legal system still in place today. He was an honest, upright, and honorable man. Pity few of his ilk can be found among his clan today." - Akodo Kobi

*Edit* Heh, that's what I get for copypasting the AEG forums :-)

Kakita Kasukaru · « **Reply #1 on:** April 14, 2011, 03:52:42 AM »

It is Saibankan's Justice not Guidance, but ok. Great card for Scorpion. Will not hurt us much in Celestial (because we don't lobby so much), but might hurt like hell in EE, depending on the cards we get then.

frotek · « **Reply #2 on:** April 14, 2011, 03:54:25 AM »

This one is scarry! I hope Crane will have dishonor as one of the themes in EE

Tetsuro · « **Reply #3 on:** April 14, 2011, 04:00:21 AM »

This should be fun. Here's hoping there's a decent "Honor Guidance" as well.

ryzouken · « **Reply #4 on:** April 14, 2011, 05:38:11 AM »

I see this getting ran in our dishonor decks, perhaps in replacement of Void Dragons, though fate deck manipulation is important... Hard to say. Being able to dishonor two target dudes out of the blue is... very nice.

Kakita Kasukaru · « **Reply #5 on:** April 14, 2011, 05:52:13 AM »

Actually, I could even play thins instead of Nahoaru's gift in my duelling deck. I was kind of lacking a good dishonor engine for my Imperial Adjudications anyway. And, worst case scenario, I can still blow it on my own 4 or 5 honor guy and rehonor with Kitsune Den immediately afterwards...

kakita_yukimura · « **Reply #6 on:** April 14, 2011, 06:00:23 AM »

This card is definitely directed against the crane. Ouch!

SpookyElectric · « **Reply #7 on:** April 14, 2011, 06:02:15 AM »

Woof!

Doji Maemi · « **Reply #8 on:** April 14, 2011, 06:07:27 AM »

Quote from: kakita_yukimura on April 14, 2011, 06:00:23 AM

This card is definitely directed against the crane. Ouch!

It's rather directed against any honor deck, Crane included. But we have at least 5 ways to take the favor without lobbying (7Folds, Seawatch Castle, Domotai, Shikishi, Imperial marriage), while most of other honor decks only have Imperial Marriage. We should suffer less than the other honor decks, or am I wrong?

Kakita Kasukaru · « **Reply #9 on:** April 14, 2011, 06:19:46 AM »

You are absolutely right. I would even dare say that it can be a great weapon for us in mirror matches, or against dragons, phoenix and other honor runners.

Daidoji Ryushi · « **Reply #10 on:** April 14, 2011, 06:23:41 AM »

Quote from: Kakita Kasukaru on April 14, 2011, 06:19:46 AM

You are absolutely right. I would even dare say that it can be a great weapon for us in mirror matches, or against dragons, phoenix and other honor runners.

If you're in an Honor heavy environment, absolutely this is a great card for the Crane decks.

And as mentioned above, dishonoring your own guy to just rehonor with Kitsune Den is a great way to get that little extra push in honor to cross a turn early. I know I abused a similar trick with Kabuto's Magistrate deck in Ottawa.

It will be really interesting to see how this Guidance slots in to EE decks.

Tetsuro · « **Reply #11 on:** April 14, 2011, 06:55:38 AM »

Yeah, as long as Shikishi takes what she wants instead of asking, Crane have nothing really to worry about this card. She's so bad.

Here's hoping she sticks aroud for EE, or at least some kind of junior version.

SpookyElectric · « **Reply #12 on:** April 14, 2011, 06:58:10 AM »

It goes without saying that dishonor decks and magistrate decks will both want to run this card. However, I wonder how many decks will run this for meta. Some military decks (breeder, for instance) could slide this into the deck and never discard it, effectively hindering the opponent's control elements (Umakai gives Breeder a hard time, I understand). However, it's very situational meta for a game element that's only useful for about three factions (if that) and only very useful for Crane, a faction that happens to have multiple ways to get the favor outside of lobbying. If more factions abused the favor, that'd be one thing, but as it currently stands I'm not so sure.

Doji Hatashai · « **Reply #13 on:** April 14, 2011, 07:29:42 AM »

I think the best argument for seeing if this will be run as honor meta is predicated on how what other guidances are in EE. In CE, breeder uses other guidances, like emma o's or fu leng's guidance. Most clans use their kami's guidance, with the rare exception of daikoko's guidance. If they run this card for meta, it would have to remain in play, which means they can't really run another guidance without undermining the utility of this guidance.

I don't see this being played out of any deck except decks that run a lot of dishonor punishment.

Doji Gohachiro · « **Reply #14 on:** April 14, 2011, 07:44:47 AM »

This might replace Doji's Guidance in my Magistrate deck. Honor meta and potential maggie support? I'll take it!

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