Topic: [EoW] Yasuki Makoto (Personality) (Read 2590 times)

Doji Hatashai · « **Reply #45 on:** April 20, 2012, 11:13:47 PM »

Ok there seem to be two threads going that i'm responding to, so I'm going to try and be organized about this.

Makoto in a non-crab deck.

Quote from: Hotaru on April 20, 2012, 11:42:40 AM

Quote from: Hatashai on April 20, 2012, 10:29:48 AM
What honor runner gets into battle and starts attacking your provinces so that you can then choose to use her ability as "meta honor".

Eh? Her ability isn't dependent upon attackers or defenders.

Well I assumed if you were attacking into an honor runner's provinces, then they would choose run away dishonored, rather then take the honor hit. The original point was that she was honor meta in a unicorn deck, and I was saying that doesn't seem viable.

Quote from: Hotaru on April 20, 2012, 12:35:42 PM

Quote from: DaidojiHikori on April 20, 2012, 12:23:46 PM
Quote from: Hatashai on April 20, 2012, 07:26:25 AM
Quote from: DaidojiHikori on April 20, 2012, 01:07:50 AM
so if i remember well they thought kosaten shiro was so strong they had to nerf it saying it could only reduce to 1...so now crab can have up to 3 kosaten shiro in game...which also make an opponent lose honor and are protected by jin quen...so large farm for free anyone?...or heck use that small farm to buy a 2 to 4 gold holding!!! I suppose at least that the zerkers can't put more merchants than they are already playing

There is a big opportunity cost between personalities and strongholds. Your guaranteed to see your stronghold turn one every single game you play, but you may never see a personality, even if its non-unique.
You can always dig for a personality...better if it is a non unique...the economy boost if 1 sees play till 2nd turn could be enormous. Most players would mostly buy personalities from 3rd turn on, but having holdings enter for free when you would have had to pay at least 1 fastens your pace. If she had the minimum 1 clause she would be much weaker economicaly speaking. As far as her dishonoring send home effect or lose 1 honor...it is another sure win situation against an honor runner...some times i get to think that cards are mostly created thinking of military vs military matchups...the curse of the honor victory condition...

To add to this, there weren't 5 for 6 holdings in the Kosaten Shiro era and it didn't produce 5 gold for holdings, as Yasuki Palaces is capable of doing. Sure, with one of her in play, Silk Works is able to buy itself just like KS had been able to achieve, but Yasuki gets a bit more out of it over the course of a game being able to buy things like Slanderer with just the stronghold. How much she can be compared to KS will depend on how flexible she makes deck-building with the accelerated gold flow, as KS had a lot of flexibility on what could be built out of it.

While I understand every single point you guys are making as far as how awesome she is for Yasuki, that issue was never in debate.

More to the point, there were arguments for her being superfriended into another deck, and none of your arguments have convinced me that she will be played in any clan other then crab, which was my original point. I don't see scorpion fielding her, and I really don't see unicorn running her as was mentioned above.

She is good but loses a lot when your paying a full 7 gold on the cheap.

Relevant differences between stronghold and personality with the same trait/ability.

This is how I view her, and I'm sure this isn't controversial. Her trait is great and wonderful in the early game, but the trait becomes less valuable as the game progresses. Her battle ability will still be very strong in the beginning of the game, but becomes less valuable as the game goes on, but it will always be significantly valuable. The only reason her trait's potency degrades is that as the game progresses your province count gets smaller, and when you see holdings in the few provinces you have, it is not a good thing that you can bring them out for free, unless you have something you can devote your newly gained economic freedom to like items spells or some sort of expensive limited/open cards which aren't that big in a dishonor deck.

All of that being said, when you say

Quote from: DaidojiHikori on April 20, 2012, 12:23:46 PM

You can always dig for a personality...better if it is a non unique...

I agree initially. I'm sure you can always dig for a personality, but you can't build a gold curve in a deck expecting to have that personality in play at all times. KS never had that restriction, as you knew when you sat down that you would always have access to that trait. Thats a certainty a personality can never give you. If you do build your gold curve expecting her to be in play, then you are playing a sort of Russian roulette where your deck could seize up on you in a crucial game and you have nothing you can do to fix it. So I think your going to see yasuki playing the same gold curve, but having a much more expedited gold curve growth, rather then rebuilding the gold curve entirely to work off of her abilities. In fact, i'd not be surprised if they run a gold scheme similar to scorpion parajimbo decks, 8~9 6 gold cost holdings.

Yasuki Yamakori · « **Reply #46 on:** April 24, 2012, 02:20:23 AM »

Quote from: Prosiak_Pulas on April 20, 2012, 03:54:40 PM

So i guess we're going to steal her from Crab .

I prefer to think it as the Crane being infiltrated by the Kolat.

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Doji Hatashai

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